[LINK] So is it Global Warming or is it Climate Change ? - Was - The Dangers of Exec Summaries

Frank O'Connor francisoconnor3 at bigpond.com
Mon Jul 2 15:09:43 AEST 2012


Wow ....

You're all over the place today, aren't you Thomas Peter? That rigorous Eastern European schooling obviously didn't instil a heap of intellectual discipline, but what the heck.

You went from your poor deprived childhood in a communist state (was that an attempt to elicit sympathy?) to acid rain and catalytic convertors, to your (no doubt Western acquired) contempt for the plebeians who oppose your point of view (I believe I have mentioned the deficiencies your Hungrarian compatriots have had over the last four centuries with accepting the idea of democracy and fair go ... those dastardly Hapsburgs ruined it for everybody), that you don't believe there is a conspiracy but that there is a gravy train and everybody is just saying what they say for the money (if that's not a conspiracy ... what is? Presumably I'm now in a conspiracy to protect the gravy train?) 

"There is no conspiracy Frank... Just many people using lots of plebeian
obfuscating terminology which, upon close inspection fail the due
diligence of anyone with an advanced education that genuinely reads the
material and all of it's references."

An advanced education ... such as you have had?

"In other words, by removing anecdotal, "professional opinions" and
censorship attempts, there would, to any genuine scholar, appear to be
no case to answer, as it relates to Global Warming."

A wonderfully unsupported sweeping statement typical of someone with an advanced education I assume. Hence ... Arty Robinson and his private institute run out a flat in Oregon ... Good?  All climatologists, meteorologists, studies backed by data and reviewed by peers ... Bad? 

I love what is laughingly referred to as your 'mindset', Thomas Peter.

"Frank, if you believe and have evidence that all of the foregoing
constitutes a conspiracy, then I am sure that for the benefit of
mankind, your conscience, as a former Journo, would dictate the
necessity of penning a few thousand words on the topic... "

You're the one making all these assumptions, Thomas Peter ... I'm not the conspiracist here.

"Today's scientific community is unable to see the dangers of continuing the attack against
humanity at all economical levels on the now disproven excuse of Global Warming."

That's your main problem ... that it's gonna cost. I've said it before ... and I'll say it again ... you're a Luddite Tom. A throwback to those sticks in the mud that appeared in the early Industrial Revolution. You stand in the way of technological progress, of human inventiveness, of moving to renewable energy sources simply to protect 19th Century fossil fuel investment that saw their Golden Age in the 40's and 50's of the last century.

Leave aside that a new wave of cost induced inventiveness would cast aside some old technologies, that money funnelled by industry to alternatives to fossil fuels would by itself reap huge dividends in human creativity and possibilities .... you believe that continuing on the same old 200 year path of relying on fossil fuels to fuel our society is the way to go. You don't see fossil fuels as a stage in our industrial, economic and social evolution ... you see it is a the Nirvana, the Economic End Point, the Final Solution, the energy source that must never be abandoned. Coal, Gas and Oil are sacred to you ... they are the Blood of Nations, the Financial Avatars, the Lords of the Minerals (when they are not in scientific fact minerals at all), the Aromatic Esters of all that is Good ... rather than a stage between early industrial endeavor and true technological improvement.

You're one of the fossils our future fossil fuels are going to be generated from ...

Please please please go for the last word, Tom ... I'm only just starting to have some fun with you ...
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On 02/07/2012, at 2:27 PM, TKoltai wrote:

> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank O'Connor [mailto:francisoconnor3 at bigpond.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, 2 July 2012 1:10 PM
>> To: TKoltai
>> Cc: link at mailman.anu.edu.au
>> Subject: Re: [LINK] So is it Global Warming or is it Climate 
>> Change ? - Was - The Dangers of Exec Summaries
>> 
>> 
>> I was just making a statistical observation, Tom ... of a 
>> trend that seems established in all your debates ...
>> 
>> Everyone who supports global warming ... vast global 
>> conspiracy ... all marching to the tune of some over-riding 
>> conspiracy drum ... all 'agin me ... communist conspiracist 
>> assholes ... 
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> Err, I don't believe I said conspiracy. 
> I also don't believe I called anyone a communist conspiracist asshole. I
> believe that was your term Frank.
> In Fact I attended school and learnt about a co-operative economy in a
> socialist country.
> A country that believes in socialism and has consequently repeatedly
> voted democratically for it's socialist leaders.
> 
> What I did learn about in that school of hotbed communism is that
> when-ever the there wasn't enough grain, or the weather was
> unfavourable, that it was the always the fault of the West. 
> Those Western capitalists that stole all the good rain, created all the
> acid rain. It was never the valiant efforts of the glorious Hungarian
> workers that were at fault. 
> (Yet the Acid rain disappeared with the advent of catalytic converters
> and night time freight deliveries. Yes, another Western abomination...).
> 
> Therefore Frank, I am in the position of having seen both sides of the
> paid for written word and as a result, have turned into a doubting
> Thomas.
> 
> In other words, if someone tells me it's raining, I want to see the
> rain.
> If someone tells me that there are only seven undersea CO2 vents then I
> want that person to review all the undersea documentaries over the last
> forty years and then repeat the statement.
> If I'm told that the planet is warming  due to mankind, then I want to
> see the exclusionary evidence of why the data in relation to other
> planets in our solar system are also warming does not apply to earth.
> 
> There is no conspiracy Frank... Just many people using lots of plebeian
> obfuscating terminology which, upon close inspection fail the due
> diligence of anyone with an advanced education that genuinely reads the
> material and all of it's references.
> 
> In other words, by removing anecdotal, "professional opinions" and
> censorship attempts, there would, to any genuine scholar, appear to be
> no case to answer, as it relates to Global Warming.
> 
> Frank, if you believe and have evidence that all of the foregoing
> constitutes a conspiracy, then I am sure that for the benefit of
> mankind, your conscience, as a former Journo, would dictate the
> necessity of penning a few thousand words on the topic... 
> 
> I personally don't believe that there is a conspiracy. Just that some
> people found a gravy train and convinced others of the value of getting
> onboard. Such gravy trains have existed in our civilisation since the
> money changes were turfed from the temple. As I said the other day,
> thirty pieces of silver are an extremely powerful cogitation decider.
> Unfortunately, just like the "Corporate Consultants" of the nineties
> didn't see the economic dangers of selling their knowledge to Asian
> countries in return for a lousy 30 pieces of... Today's scientific
> community is unable to see the dangers of continuing the attack against
> humanity at all economical levels on the now disproven excuse of Global
> Warming.
> 
> I believe firmly that we should learn from that example and turf the
> money changers from the temple.
> 
> Unfortunately, technology has reduced mankind into "Television
> Newsbytes, sound bytes and Headline" learning consumers. 
> "The money changer said..." Therefore it must be so. Very few are not
> beholden to the money changer. Even fewer are prepared to incur the
> money changers wrath by pointing out the inequity of his practices.
> 
> Interestingly, it is this usury topic that is the greatest division
> between the major religions of the world.
> The Christian church frowned on it till the 13th century. Today's
> Moslems still frown on it.
> 
> Some references that might help you, should decide to write about "the
> conspiracy" that you appear to have identified, would be:
> 
> http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/bibliography/?lang=en&content=1933
> _bookburning
> 
> And the same mindset over a longer period of time,
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Libraries
> 
> Regards,
> 
> TomK
> 





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